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I just would like to clarify that the schedule that where done by Bo Hansson is the official version for the next N-09 (done by the hosting nation of the Nordic Championships). This schedule will be the one that may be commented and modified. I repeat that no other country shall produce any own version of the new N-09.
I have seen this official proposal which is very similar to the P-09 and it does not include any snaps or inverted flight at the lower flight line.

/Bernt

Senast redigerat av F3ABerra (2007-05-17 21:02:41)

it's now up on the webpage

http://www.f3a.se/uploads/File/NC07/F3A … aresti.pdf

/David

Senast redigerat av David (2007-06-28 13:35:21)

Sorry. I posted the wrong link . This is the one

http://www.f3a.se/uploads/File/NC07/F3A … aresti.pdf

The arestidrawing on number one is not korrekt, the sekond 1/2 roll should be on the bottom after the halfroll. now its drawn with one immelman and one split s..

Hi Ola!

Forgive me if my memory is lacking, but was there anything said about this at the Nordic championship? With maneuver descriptions I assume you mean detailed descriptions for each maneuver, similar to how the P and F schedules are described in sporting code. I don’t recall any decisions being taken on this at the NC.
I personally have never seen any detailed maneuver descriptions for any Nordic schedule so I wonder if I have missed something. Is it needed? Most maneuvers are pretty obvious on how to fly and judge. A few maneuvers, such as “Immelman/splits combination” and “humpty-bump with alternative”, might however need to be clarified a bit.

I’m sure we can write something down. I'm just curious if there was any decision on this, since we never had it before (to my knowledge)

/David

I know it is a bit late, anyhow I would like to come with a proposal for change in the announced N-09.

There seems to be a bit confussion about the figure 9, from which height is it supposed to start from?

Why not drop the figure 9, and use a ½ square loop with ½ roll , start from top-line inverted perform a 1/4 inside loop, perpendicular down ½ roll in the middle, finish with 1/4 OUTSIDE loop, this will means you will finish in inverted flight in the bottom line, continue with th stall-turn with 1/4 roll up and down

rgds
Joen

Hi F3A enthusiasts,

I'm writing because I think I have found a small mistake in the manoeuvre description for N09.

It is regarding manoeuvre no. 6 where it says in the judging notes that "The exit is to be done in the middle line". That is an error in my opinion.

I asked Bob Skinner the same question in regard to the P09 FAI schedule last fall since there was some discussions regarding manoeuvres no. 6, 7 and 8 in P09 and received the following answer:

The Sporting Code does not define upper, mid, or lower levels, and I guess a good compromise would be to make a generous, but not full outside loop, to leave enough room for the triangle and its components. The radius of the following Figure 9 could then be smaller, provided the exit part-loop matches.

If you look at the FAI Sporting Code for manoeuvre no. 6 in P09 there is no judging notes defining the size of the half loop, so why do we need to define that in N09?

Since N09 is based on P09 I think we should interpret the manoeuvres the same.

I still think the N09 is somewhat crappy.

The contries involved does not read the description equal!

As I wrote earlier, drop the figure 9 and replace it with a 1/2 square loop from inverted topline with ½ roll on the down leg ending with a 1/4 OUTSIDE loop then there is now doubt how to perform this, it is a bit more "crispy" but unlike now no question marks woukd be raised.

Now we the judges in DK to judge one way, judges in Sweden will judge another way, crap crap

rgds
Joen

Joen,

Sorry, but I don't understand your point of view.

Sweden has made a suggestion of a new N-09 as the holder of the Nordic Championships (next time this shall be done by the Danish).
The N-09 have been discussed and decided during the Nordic Championships in Norsjö last summer and it's not open for disquisitions any longer!

The new thing here are the manoeuvre description and this is what Morten was commenting.

Why do you write that judges will judge in different ways?
The manoeuvre description is written and even the Danish judges will have to follow them (next time the judges will follow the Danish manoeuvre description). I believe the manoeuvre description is very clear how to perform the manoeuvres!

/Bernt

Hej Bernt

I was just commenting on the description as well, BUT IF the description are DIFFERENT in 2 contries the judges WILL judge according the local description.
That will give some interresting judgement along any competition.

Lets put up an example, in Denmark we fly according the P09 and make the ½ inverted loop in full height( legal according to you), then the triangular loop in full height, then the figure 9 in full height too! now the NM is coming up and ALL the danish judges has got used to this description and how it is performed.

NM is starting , the swedish pilots make those 3 figures from ½ height and get low point from the danish judges, and the danish pilots get low scores from the swedish judges!

You got the point?

It is in DUE time to settle this once and for all, either we fly according the P09( which I prefer) or we fly according YOUR way, with some uncertain lines some high some low some in between and the in between lines CAN be flown in the high lines.

No I think it is best to drop the N09 schedule for a couple of years, it is some crap that have been made.

Hej Bernt

Sorry for my little roughness

Yes it had been very good if the description had been in place at the NC.

I'm glad you got the point, but let's see what happens, I'll fly the N09 but it is my first year doing so, and have tried to practice but as long as the description not have been firm it is a little difficult.

rgds
Joen

Hello guys!

A question on N-09, maneuvre 10, Humpty bumb with options. The description says it's pull-pull-pull humpty with either 1/2-roll up or 1/4-roll up and down. However the aresti shows a pull-push-pull humbty.

I'm assuming the description is correct and the aresti is wrong?