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#26 2008-05-20 14:37:24

Kimmo Kaukoranta
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Re: Nordic N-09

I'm under the impression that dotted line in aresti notation means negative G, not simply inverted flight? Thus dotted half loop at top of a humbty indicates push.

If You look at aresti drawings of current F3A schedules, maneuvre P-09.10 is a humpty with push at the top and the half loop is drawn with a dotted line. Maneuvre F-09.04 is a humbty with a pull on top, the half loop is drawn in solid line.

Also for pull-pull-pull humpty with 1/2-roll up, the half loop takes you further away from the center line. In the N-09 aresti drawing the maneuvre starts from the far right and the pull/push on top is towards the center line.

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#27 2008-05-20 17:25:14

Inge
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Re: Nordic N-09

Hmmm ... yep you are right Kimmo.
The writing is wrong!
Also manuver nr:4 for F-09 that is up here on this page is wrong, not the aresti writing but the text description of it, like you say it's a push-pull-pull humty.

http://www.f3a.se/index.php?page=Flygprogram

Senast redigerat av Inge (2008-05-20 17:45:38)

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#28 2008-05-20 17:53:11

Inge
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Re: Nordic N-09

This is what the manuver description say about that humty in Nordic ...

N-09.10 Humpty bump, with options:
From upright, pull to a vertical upline, perform a half roll, and pull through a half inside loop. On the
vertical downline pull to exit upright.
Judging notes:
 The manoeuvre can be performed as an option with ¼ roll on the up- and downline. The top
half loop is to be done as an inside loop and the exit is to be done upright.

So aresti or text decription is wrong, can some one please enlight us what is right in this case.

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#29 2008-05-22 15:16:25

Kimmo Kaukoranta
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Re: Nordic N-09

I can't remember for sure, but was the text description available at the pilot's meeting in the nordic championships or written later? If only the aresti was available at the meeting, that is the program that was approved and the text should be updated accordingly.

I don't think it makes much difference which one is selected, but we have to decide soon so we will all be flying the same program wink

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#30 2008-05-24 14:03:29

F3ABerra
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Re: Nordic N-09

Hello!

Kimmo, you are correct.
This is an misstake.

The intention was that the manouvre should be with a positive G during the top of the humpty bump (as the desciription, not as the aresti drawing).
The intention was to make it easier to perform and to give more time to make the next manuovre (knife edge).
We have been flying the first competition in Sweden this way!

David, can you please change the aresti draving so that it´s a positive G on the top of the Humpt Bump.

Best Regards!
Bernt

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#31 2008-05-27 13:28:29

Kimmo Kaukoranta
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Re: Nordic N-09

We have been flying the first competition in Sweden this way!

Well, I heard there was one Finnish guy in that same competition flying it the other way around roll

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#32 2008-05-30 14:52:33

Inge
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Re: Nordic N-09

Yes he did I saw that ... I have also checkt the judges score he didn't get zero for it .... i guess the judges did look at that humty as a totally pilots option as long it was a 1/2 roll up or 1/4 rolls up and down.

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#33 2008-05-30 22:42:53

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Re: Nordic N-09

Well, sorry for this mistake in the aresti schedule. I made the cleaned up aresti before the manoeuvre description was written, and simply missed to update it afterwards. I have corrected it now. Download adress is the same as earlier.
http://www.f3a.se/uploads/File/NC07/F3A_Nordic_N09.pdf

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